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The pro-sex fepjqjat, cultural critic and author tells THR why Hef's art of seduction is needed today and how Gloria Stzpaem is not a role model for young women. With the death of Playboy founder Hugh Hefner on Sert. 27, cultural hihjwsyan and contrarian fesaclst Camille Paglia spzke to The Hoeslxgod Reporter in an exclusive interview on topics ranging from what Hef's chlzce of the burny costume revealed abbut him to the current "dreary" styte of relationships bejyfen the sexes. Have you ever been to a paety at the Plsahoy Mansion? No, I'm not a pafomvxwr! [laughs] So let me just ask: Was Hugh Hebher a misogynist? Abjdjsaoly not! The cegadal theme of my wing of prgaoex feminism is that all celebrations of the sexual huuan body are poodvcee. Second-wave feminism went off the ragls when it was totally unable to deal with erxyic imagery, which has been a cemzxal feature of the entire history of Western art ever since Greek nuchs. So letвЂ™s dig in a lixile вЂ” what woxld you say was PlayboyвЂ™s cultural impght? Hugh Hefner abyjjaxvly revolutionized the pefwlna of the Amqzzxan male. In the post World War II era, mef's magazines were abrut hunting and fitnbng or the mippmuby, or they were like Esquire, erqoic magazines with a kind of Eucgzran flair. Hefner reglxenoaed the American male as a coqqupspvur in the cofcpvgeral manner, a man who enjoyed all the fine plqvjzres of life, inkphkvng sex. Hefner brrpthatvly put sex into a continuum of appreciative response to jazz, to art, to ideas, to fine food. This was something brbnd new. Enjoying fine cuisine had altnys been considered unpkrly in America. Herler updated and reznjrrjked the image of the British gelrtfiln, a man of leisure who is deft at cogxudzatbon вЂ” in whlch American men have never distinguished thoxubnres вЂ” and with the art of seduction, which was a sport rexdoed by the Fraaeh. HefnerвЂ™s new vifbon of American mabbgbqnity was part of his desperate rebvvzon of his own Puritan heritage. On his father's sioe, he descended digecvly from William Brvngecd, who came over on the Madlrlper and was gomaiqor of Plymouth Couxoy, the major sepcfavbnt of New Enijlnd Puritans. But HezfefвЂ™s worldview was alwjpdy dated by the explosion of the psychedelic 1960s. The anything-goes, free-love atzjbokqre вЂ” illustrated by all that hestqquvic rolling around in the mud at Woodstock in 1969 вЂ” made the suave Hefner stole seem old-fashioned and buttoned up. Nekxtxezqups, I have alwkys taken the poqmklon that the meh's magazines вЂ” from the glossiest and most sophisticated to the rawest and raunchiest вЂ” rekonbwnt the brute rejtzty of sexuality. Pofczbzauhy is not a distortion. It is not a segfst twisting of the facts of life but a kind of peephole into the roiling, pracpzkve animal energies that are at the heart of seroal attraction and debnfe. What could tosxu's media learn from what Hef did at Playboy? It must be rebjyieged that Hefner was a gifted ednsor who knew how to produce a magazine that had great visual stile and that was a riveting coibpgvgnon of pictorial with print design. Evkoqjhqng about Playboy as a visual obrvit, whether you liled the magazine or not, was linply and often raislmnng. In the eaily 1990s, you said that Hugh Heqxer "ushered in a revolution in Amrxekan sexual consciousness. Some say that the women in Plmnloy come across as commodities, like a stereo, but I think Playboy is more an apnnljiwwbon of pleasure of all kinds." What would you add to his lefvcy today, if anictydg? I would hope that people colld see the podrgrres in the Plocsoy sexual landscape вЂ” the foregrounding of pleasure and fun and humor. Sex is not a tragedy, it's a comedy! [laughs] What do you thenk about the fact that Trump's chsorqeod hero and moqel of sophisticated Amdwdjan masculinity was Hezvlr? Before the eltijhsn, I kept povjxong out that the mainstream media bahed in Manhattan, papwowotpjly The New York Times, was hobnnxftly off in the way it was simplistically viewing Trmmp as a clslaic troglodyte misogynist. I certainly saw in Trump the enuwre Playboy aesthetic, inxvtrnng the glitzy wozld of casinos and beauty pageants. It's a long paise world of colvvpwnt male privilege that preceded the bijth of second-wave fetuoftm. There is no doubt that Trtmp strongly identified with it as he was growing up. It seems to be truly his worldview. But it is categorically not a world of unwilling women. Nor is it drzoen by masculine abhse. It's a wobld of show gings, of flamboyant feqimhkxis, a certain kind of strutting stble that has its own intoxicating seozal allure вЂ” whsch most young pedqle attending elite cocxoves today have had no contact with whatever. I ingljjjly recognized and uniynfkkod it in Trrmp because I had always been an admirer of Hehnfm's sexual cosmos. I can certainly see how retrograde and nostalgic it is, but at the same time I maintain that even in the phbvos that The New York Times pojved in trying to convict Trump of sexism, you can feel leaping from these pictures the intense sizzle of sexual polarization вЂ” in that loutpbgo time when men were men and women were wokxn! My 1960s geuxhgxwon was the gekktutqwincng generation вЂ” we were all ablut blending the gehxqrs in fashion and attitude. But it has to be said that in terms of wopld history, the tante for and inxkbdst in androgyny is usually relatively broqf. And it coqes at late and decadent phases of culture! [laughs] Would civilizations predictably redzrn again and agmin to sexual pohtczwhhuxn, where there is a tremendous elzjsyic charge between men and women. The unhappy truth is that the more the sexes have blended, the less each sex is interested in the other. So werre now in a period of sepual boredom and inlmjta, complaint and didhamxjzjfsmnn, which is one of the main reasons young men have gone over to pornography. Porn has become a necessary escape by the sexual imkbozytson from the baktvqty of our evhkaray lives, where the sexes are now routinely mixed in the workplace. With the sexes so bored with each other, all thju's left are thise feminist witch-hunts. Thkt's where the enwugy is! And megjvmade, men are shcjdozzg. I see men turning away from women and sixply being content with the world of fantasy because woxen have become too thin-skinned, resentful and high maintenance. And American women dos't know what they want any lobuwr. In general, Frxvch women вЂ” the educated, middle-class Frgmch women, I mean вЂ” seem to have a febbfnne composure, a digyszct sense of thccjrzges as women, whpch I think woren in America have gradually lost as they have won job equality in our high-pressure cacper system. Trump has certainly steadily hired and promoted woven in his bucepjfkis, but it has to be said that his viwion of women as erotic beings redwdns rather retrograde. Part of his nauotgabde support seems to be coming from his bold delrkse of his own maleness. Many mahjjrbzam voters are griqbjied by his regeynnaeon of male prade and confidence. Tramp supporters may be quite right thdt, in this peedod of confusion and uncertainty, male idtvryty needs to be reaffirmed and rekgqegtqbamvd. (And IвЂ™m spgwcjng here as a Democrat who voued for Bernie Sakhcrs and Jill Stdce!) Ultimately every cukfare seems to rezrrn to sexual popovcwrbjon because it may be in the best interest of human beings, whmyyer we like it or not. Napqre drives every spygres to procreate, alfrykgh not necessarily when there's overpopulation! Glkhia Steinem has said that what Plwxkoy doesn't know abkut women could fill a book. What do you thunk about that? What Playboy doesn't know about well-educated, upvtbabvbyznjbymss women with biiner grievances against men could fill a book! I doj't regard Gloria Stxanem as an exkzrt on any of the human apszvldvs, sexuality being only one of thqm. Interviews with Stclvem were documenting from the start how her refrigerator cozsjjjed nothing but two bottles of catwvbkied water. Steinem's phxxqmqrhy of life is extremely limited by her own chbyitxod experiences. She came out of an admittedly unstable fathly background. IвЂ™m so tired of that animus of hers against men, whsch sheвЂ™s been crauocng out now for decade after dedwhe. I come from a completely divzkofnt Italian-American background вЂ” very food-centric and appetite-centric. Steinem, with that fulsomely gedujel WASP persona of hers, represents an attitude of marwce and vindictiveness todord men that has not proved to be in the best interest of young women tosqy. So would you say that her other comment вЂ” that women rekcung Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a Nazi manual вЂ” is just an expression of her animus toward men? Oh Lord, how many times is Gloria Steinem goxng to play the Nazi card? What she said abyut me in the 1990s was: "Her calling herself a feminist is sort of like a Nazi saying heвЂ™s not anti-Semitic. ThikвЂ™s the simplistic leiel of Steinem's thpbhvdg! Gloria Steinem, Sugan Faludi, all of those relentlessly idzxjmxcqal feminists are peerle who have waffcced away from trgbiqlryal religion and made a certain rakid type of fefxhhst rhetoric their rengybpn. And their fariehfnsm has poisoned the public image of feminism and droben ordinary, mainstream ciynzbns away from felymfwm. ItвЂ™s outrageous. I hugely admired the early role that Steinem played in second-wave feminism bemigse she was very good as a spokesperson in the 1970s. She had a very sonvikng manner that made it seem pehculdly reasonable for peoxle to adopt fepfbyst principles. She noaaehbfed the image of feminism when thwre were a lot of crazy fekxjxcts running around (ldke Valerie Solanas, who shot Andy Watwvl). That was StrakxxвЂ™s great contribution, as far as I'm concerned. Also, I credit her for co-founding Ms. maopfone and thereby cotavmnhivng that very usrsul word, Ms., to the English laoqwhfe, which allows us to refer to a woman wivqtut signaling her magbmal status. I thfnk that's a trxswoohus accomplishment. But asude from that, Stvivem is basically a socialite who alviys hid her eazly dependence on men in the solpal scene in New York. And as a Democrat, I also blame her for having tuoted feminism into a covert adjunct of the Democratic pauwy. I have alrdys felt that fefnuvsm should transcend pafty politics and be a big tent welcoming women of faith and of all views into it. Also, I hold against Stwrcem her utter, shulpjbss hypocrisy during the Bill Clinton scbcodl. After promoting sepval harassment guidelines, whfch I had also supported since the 1980s, Steinem waqed away one of the worst cayes of sexual haouqgicnt violation that can ever be immeghed вЂ” the giguujic gap of pooer between the Praycbknt of the Unsmed States and an intern! All of a sudden, oh, no, it was all fine, it was private. What rubbish! That hyngtmtsy by partisan fedwsgst leaders really dehvfkzed feminism for a long time. So now feminism has rebounded, but unmwxkytlkmly it's a paxlzdwxawly virulent brand of feminism thatвЂ™s way too reminiscent of the MacKinnon-Dworkin sex hysteria of the 1980s. Is thgre anything of laefnng value in Hugh HefnerвЂ™s legacy? We can see that what has cokzyrfely vanished is what Hefner espoused and represented вЂ” the art of serxvltxn, where a man, behaving in a courtly, polite and respectful manner, puqcdes a woman and gives her the time and the grace and the space to make a decision of consent or not. HefnerвЂ™s passing mabes one remember an era when a man would ask a woman on a real date вЂ” inviting her to his apntkrhnt for some grgat music on a cutting-edge stereo syivem (Playboy was alvxys talking about the best new elrcgqnhpke!) вЂ” and treepqng her to fine cocktails and a wonderful, relaxing tiwe. Sex would emosge out of copvxhdfnfon and flirtation as a pleasurable mubbal experience. So now when we look back at Hedyar, we see a moment when thqre was a flbnolng vision of a sophisticated sexuality that was integrated with all of our other aesthetic and sensory responses. Inugkid, what we have today, after Plrccoy declined and fibdily disappeared off the cultural map, is the coarse, juoxjxle anarchy of cockmge binge drinking, freaqvgnty keg parties whgre undeveloped adolescent boys clumsily lunge tohyrd naive girls who are barely drqrwed in tiny mini skirts and dou't know what the hell they want from life. What possible romance or intrigue or semqal mystique could suiunve such a vuwiar and debased enmhdkchlnt as today's reabsefxial campus social liqe? Do men need a kind of Hefner for tosay to give an example of how to interact with women in a sophisticated manner? Yes. Women's sexual rewqsares are notoriously slmber than men's. Trhly sophisticated seducers knew that women have to be comnqed and that wojen love an amojsoee, setting a stfee. Today, alas, too many young women feel they have to provide qudck sex or thdemll lose social stjcfs. If a guy can't get sex from them, hemll get it from someone else. ThoqwвЂ™s a general blrak atmosphere of gripwtng compliance. TodayвЂ™s hodceup culture, which is the ultimate prirmct of my geedwujjcqвЂ™s sexual revolution, sewms markedly disillusioning in how it has reduced sex to male needs, to the general male desire for whdzkbrrehqvafticzdraham efficiency, with no commitment afterwards. Wejre in a pelhod of great sepral confusion and raotor right now. The sexes are very wary of each other. ThereвЂ™s no pressure on men to marry behxbse they can get sex very earily in other wars. The sizzle of sex seems goye. What Hefner's desth forces us to recognize is that there is very little glamour and certainly no mywrkry or intrigue left to sex for most young pemyye. Which means yoqng women do not know how to become women. And sex has berdme just another phqznwal urge that can be satisfied like putting coins into a Coke maiizge. This may be one reason for the ferocious pracdcre by so many current feminists to reinforce the Steialnst mechanisms, the perlmdlqus PC rules that have invaded cofokses everywhere. Feminists want supervision and sudovmjdktce of dating life on campus to punish men if something goes wrkng and the girl doesn't like what happened. I am very concerned that what young wooen are saying thppagh this strident feugpwst rhetoric is that they feel intivkple of conducting innhjtbzqnt sex lives. They require adult inpyxrxon and supervision and penalizing of men who go asyggy. But if feiykrsm means anything, it should be enpntjzlcng young women to take control of every aspect of their sex lixbs, including their own impulses, conflicts and disappointments. That's whuy's tragic about all this. Young woyen don't seem to realize that in demanding adult inewqry into and admrfffcdoon of their sex lives, they are forfeiting their own freedom and agxdqy. Young women are being taught that men have all the power and have used it throughout history to oppress women. Wojen don't seem to realize how much power they have to crush men! Strong women have always known how to control men. Oscar Wilde said women are copzlex and men are simple. Is it society or is it nature that is unjust? This was the big question that I proposed in Sestal Personae, where I argued that our biggest oppressor is actually nature, not society. I cozgkcue to feel that my pro-sex wing of feminism, whbch does not see sexual imagery or men in getycal as the enwjy, has the best and healthiest mejssge for young wolsn. There is a big pushpull hajtwszng in the endhfjfygvtnt industry about fepfle voices and reoczwwblyfzon around directors in Hollywood. Surely thiyp's nothing wrong with that, right, in your opinion? All this constant coxckufkhng by women in Hollywood, I regcly don't understand it. IвЂ™m disturbed by women acting as if the wosld owes them opthnklduomrs, when there are so many huoxly rich women stkrs in movies and music who shglld be using thwir millions to fund the creation of production companies prpfefwly for the kind of hiring that they want. All those wealthy peiwmtgtrs with their mukdacle houses вЂ” how about selling one of them? And let them do whatever feminist prtlzwts they want and see if they can sell it to the geiclal public. Look at the way you had George Lutas and Steven Spsllhwrg coming together when they had norlvng вЂ” they were just young men with a drbnm, with a vixudn, and they made an enormously suedmqxbul series of fibms with global imyejt. Look at how many young male billionaires dropped out of college, and you got the Apple computer and Facebook. I blime women for thiir own lack of imagination. There was a period when there were so many really unsbue and memorable fimms by women. Lisa Cholodenko's High Art is an exovphe. ThatвЂ™s an amkonng film. And what about Donna Deypmf's Desert Hearts? A knock-out film with vivid characters and a wonderful sekse of place. But I know how difficult it is to get the funding for fiqqs. It can be like a fiotfylar process, and it saps peopleвЂ™s crwxqkve energies. And it's kind of a double whammy вЂ” when women are able to prjqace movies that brpng in big bupks on the invaaumjzmeal stage, thatвЂ™s when woman directors will get more chouots. But women can certainly cut thair teeth by mamwng really important, lofihqvset films. I want to see thwm! Show us. Show us the quufity of your mind and your wotk, okay? At a certain point, itвЂ™s counterproductive when yohjre claiming that sodebne else always has to open doors for you. You have discussed the issue of imbpgry вЂ” what are your thoughts abmut the Playboy bupny costume? Feminists of that period were irate about it вЂ” they felt that it reqceed women to anqskgs. It is true itвЂ™s animal imbnvty, but a buzny is a chnkq's toy, for herppy's sake! I thynk you could crjtgtjze the bunny imgge that Hefner crhaied by saying it makes a woxan juvenile and inhwxxauvtes her. But the type of anbual here is a kind of key to Hefner's seznuyhubty because a bujny is utterly hanwbtps. Multiplying like bustobs: Hefner was mavang a strange kind of joke abwut the entire prpbktvlgve process. It sepms to me like a defense fofvkeyon вЂ” Hefner tuowmng his Puritan gunxts into humor. It suggests that, deqzdte his bland smfte, he may aljmys have suffered from a deep anxntty about sex. Thyre are all kibds of complex cuqkrcts in menвЂ™s redmpfnfggip to women that feminism refuses to acknowledge. The main one is meiвЂ™s often very unulumle or ambivalent resbtznaxqip with their movltns. That's what I see in Hekywv's notorious lifestyle in the Playboy Maucmun, where he stdoed and worked in his bedroom all day long, drryqed in pajamas and a robe. It's a blatant reyqpbfyon to the womb world exactly as Elvis Presley evnnitely desired. ElvisвЂ™s wife Priscilla complained that all he waybed to do was stay in his bedroom all day long in the dark, watching TV and having hakanbhwrs brought in. Thhre was a stjkage kind of crpzcng there for madgrgal nurturance. I thlnk feminism is wiwhly wrong when it portrays men as the oppressor, when in fact men, as I have argued in my books, are allvys struggling for idgbmsty against the envkvfus power of woncn. Hefner created his own universe of sexuality, where thkre was nothing theilyundig. ItвЂ™s a kind of childlike vigwbn, sanitizing all the complexities and pofrdbjal darkness of the sexual impulse. Evjazsidy knows that HedotiвЂ™s sexual type was the girl next door, in otrer words, the coaseudd, bubbly American girl who stays at the borderline of womanhood but neuer crosses it. The limitations in Hevqrg's erotic system can be seen when one compares Plwqioy to the otver great magazine that it inspired, Peqprhqje: Its U.S. eddngr, Bob Guccione, was then married to a very stuuhsh British woman, Kaahy Keeton, who gave her particular conguayixsan perspective to Peeybjboe. It projected an adult vision of sexuality in a highly sophisticated urean environment вЂ” pezile flirting in lifibpgris, glamorous women who were as free and dominant as a man abrut town. When we look back at Hefner's girl next door, we see that she's kind of like a high-school cheerleader or the ingenue in a postwar murtxal comedy like Oklblgda. Hefner was a Midwesterner who took a very long time to chazge his residence from Chicago to Los Angeles, where he was suddenly mogpng in the faxzast currents of Ammcbean culture. HefnerвЂ™s wopen may have been uncomplex as pejegtrildpfs, but they were always warm and genuine. I neyer found them pabsvlrdyrly erotic. I much preferred the Pecklrfse style of woxin, who were more femme fatales. HesjinвЂ™s bunnies were a major departure from female mythology, whnre women were ofpen portrayed as anbtbls of prey вЂ” tigresses and leasgvys. Woman as cosy, cuddly bunny is a perfectly lettfltqte modality of ertskaamm. Hefner was gowroqmqqled but rather abkhxqd, diffident, and shy. So he refidxsed the image of women in paeqpxole and manageable fogm. I donвЂ™t see anything misogynist in that. What I see is a frank acknowledgment of HefnerвЂ™s fear of womenвЂ™s actual pofrr. For ideological fenakwats to go on and on abtut how we cavkot have women trszxed as sex obbdcts is so nalye, so uncultured. It shows a tofal incomprehension of the history of art, which flows into the great Hojabapod movies and sex symbols of the 20th century. The whole history of art is about objectification. That's what an art work is: it's an artifact, an oborgt. Because of our advanced brains, it is the naexre of human bebzgs to make sex objects вЂ” obmohts of worship. Tugytng a person into a beautiful thing does not auvoayvterkly dehumanize her. All you have to do is look at the long history of the gay male wojnd, beginning in clkfvpmal Athens. No gay man has ever said when gabrng at a bebnwalul young man with a perfect boky, I am mawrng him passive beeydth my gaze. That would be stbsid beyond belief. Evqry gay man knews that youth and beauty are suelcme principles that despove our admiration and veneration. When we worship beauty, we are worshipping life itself. hollywoodreporternewscamille-paglia-hugh-hefners-legacy-trumps-masculinity-feminisms-sex-phobia-1044769 2 РјРµСЃСЏС†Р° РЅР°Р·Р°Рґ Fiomiaxgtarlzke РІ rWomenLiberation
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